Curse

Bocjo Bassannn · Oct 31, 2006, 06:03 AM // 06:03

There are few things that will get me very annoyed for very long... I personaly enjoy a challange and dont mind spending time learning new things.

This allowing hero's into halls is pathetic and totaly the lamest thing I have ever seen or played... We have Hero vs Hero battles we do NOT need hero's or for that mater henchies in HA. HA is about forming teams of people figureing out builds learning to work those builds as a team and getting to know some kewl people along the way.. Favor of the gods should be something WE, not some ai scripting earns for our countries. Fame and rank now as far as I am concerned have no meaning or value... Hero's in gvg... lmao why gvg at all... This isnt about team skill anymore this is about downloading this weeks lates hero builds off of some crapy websight providing uber builds to those that want rank.

For n00bs to ha now... There choices are ...ebay a rank 9 or better account so they can find human teams with a clue to play with... Or learn how to download this weeks Hero gimmic build for HA....

You can say if you cant beat a hero team you suck... Realy lets examine that.... So how many players do you know that can inturupt 1/4 sec casting time skills effortlessly and consistantly... Monk builds that before required hrs of practice to learn just to effectivly stop spikes (infuse monk) now one can simply bring a WoH hero and stop almost any spike build you can dream up.

I currently play regularly with a team that holds halls from time to time... I will admit were not uberleet but we have been known to earn 175 fame and more in one single run. Most of us are rank 6 players and up. We spent two hrs in HA today doing nothing but getting owned by teams of 1!!.... This is not right in any way shape or form. I for one REFUSE to continue playing in HA if Hero builds are going to remain a part of HA... I will never make rank 9 I was so close to why? Because unlike most people I wish to EARN my fame and ranking and I refuse to use hero's and henchies to do so.

Not that my one Little voice in this mob of people matters but I for one am done playing in HA untill Hero's are taken off of the HA teams. I like to play in HA to play against other people not some bot....

Pen_Cap · Oct 31, 2006, 06:18 AM // 06:18

I'm with you Bocjo.

Good players that understand the game are getting owned by 1 person that loads henchies and heroes and just sits there why the computer fights for them.

Heroes catch spikes with skills that aren't meant to catch spikes and they use skills with the precision only scripted AI programs can give them.

ANET you have taken all the fun out of HA. Anyone can now grab some henchies and heroes and just go afk while their heroes do everything for them.

For those of you that say your a noob for not being able to beat a hero team are sadly mistaken. The AI is way too intelligent to be allowed in pvp.

I really do hope they adjust this soon because Fame + Favor is now pointless. Why should I practice with a group and learn new builds just to go in and be owned by one person letting the comp fight for him.

In final. HA is not the place for heros. They do not now nor will they ever belong there. Thank you ANET for ruining one of the most competetive aspects of the game.

Azadaleou · Oct 31, 2006, 06:28 AM // 06:28

According to Gaile heroes in pvp are here to stay, because "more people are pvping now. She must mean more npcs are pvping, I mean wow where did Anet team go wrong to make a foolish decision such as this? If they wanted more people to pvp and groups to form more smoothly, then they could of just implemented a lfg feature. I think I'll be pvping in RA until heroes are gone from the other forms of pvp. At least I'll be going against live players.

walmart_player · Oct 31, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

I'm with you Bocjo also.
HAing with heros is not HA was intended to be played. anyone can come in from PvE with there uber pimped out heros and own a good player with no effort at all. Just satnd in the back, call a target, and watch it die.........thats all the hero teams do. Doing HA before was very fun, but now it just seems like a source frustration.........and that is not fun.

bhavv · Oct 31, 2006, 07:23 AM // 07:23

In hero teams you cant just just sit back and win, you have to co-ordiante each one to win, its like calling for 4 ppl, using 4 skill sets at once. It requires much more individual skill then playing with people does.

I have to manually select when to fire off my meteor showers for 2 heroes otherwise they waste it. But 3 meteor showers, rodgorts mark, and 3-6 searing flames on an alter after someone else caps is damn good fun.

Thom · Oct 31, 2006, 08:04 AM // 08:04

If you get the micro down, heros will preform better than any pug. This means that we should have a competitive Hero arena and maybe hero 8v8 which functions on 4-4 split tactics, but tombs should become hero central.

Everyone saying that Hero teams are only run by noobs should really attempt running with heros, practicing all their controls. You can spike, shutdown, pressure... you can run two monk bars with one player. You can see exactly which enchantments and hexes are on 4 of your players and play accordingly. You can adjust the play style of your heros by highlighting or disabling different skills.

Hero's are great for PvEing with half groups since they far surpass henchings and most pugs, but when you start optimizing them for PvP it turns the game into a hardcore RTS (almost). There is a place for that, but I'd rather keep it out of mainstream PvP,

Mental Leteci · Oct 31, 2006, 08:13 AM // 08:13

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Originally Posted by bhavv

In hero teams you cant just just sit back and win, you have to co-ordiante each one to win, its like calling for 4 ppl, using 4 skill sets at once. It requires much more individual skill then playing with people does.

I have to manually select when to fire off my meteor showers for 2 heroes otherwise they waste it. But 3 meteor showers, rodgorts mark, and 3-6 searing flames on an alter after someone else caps is damn good fun.

I think someone already said that if you don't give them what to do they'll do it themselves. So it's optinal, you CAN control them.

Sol Is Pyrrhus · Oct 31, 2006, 08:14 AM // 08:14

Player vs. Player. End of story. It's 6v6 now, for goodness sake. Take henchies and heroes completely out of Tombs.

digimonizm · Oct 31, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pen_Cap

I'm with you Bocjo.

Good players that understand the game are getting owned by 1 person that loads henchies and heroes and just sits there why the computer fights for them.

Heroes catch spikes with skills that aren't meant to catch spikes and they use skills with the precision only scripted AI programs can give them.

ANET you have taken all the fun out of HA. Anyone can now grab some henchies and heroes and just go afk while their heroes do everything for them.

For those of you that say your a noob for not being able to beat a hero team are sadly mistaken. The AI is way too intelligent to be allowed in pvp.

I really do hope they adjust this soon because Fame + Favor is now pointless. Why should I practice with a group and learn new builds just to go in and be owned by one person letting the comp fight for him.

In final. HA is not the place for heros. They do not now nor will they ever belong there. Thank you ANET for ruining one of the most competetive aspects of the game.

You hit the nail on the head there.

I mean who would want to play with a pathetic human ranger interrupter when you can when you can have a termenranger

P.S.
Sally: My Coss can jump over the table in a single bound.
Johnny: Well, my Coss has super-action fighting ability.
Mike: My Coss cries himself to sleep every night
Announcer: What can your Coss do?

The Silver Star · Oct 31, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

But 3 meteor showers, rodgorts mark, and 3-6 searing flames on an alter after someone else caps is damn good fun.

Yes it maybe fun but its also fun doing this with REAL players, and if you were to play this with REAL players then enemy REAL teams would have more fun fighting againt you rather than just playing your AI buddies.

Another thing is last night i played againt more heroway'sor as they are sometiems known as now "kossway's" than real teams on an average of 1 "real" team to 3 hero teams.. thats rediculous i didnt mind the odd henchway but this is just not fun, i personally play PvP for the PvP aspect meaning fighting againt Players not PvNPC which is what all im seeing is.

conjurer · Oct 31, 2006, 09:15 AM // 09:15

I had some some with a friend of mine, here the results:

Mental Leteci · Oct 31, 2006, 09:31 AM // 09:31

Hi Extreme : )))) Didn't expect you to see on these forums.

I just don't understand why aren't they doing something about it? It's obvious that no one likes it and they're still there. Only Gaile likes it, I guess.

Ghost Recon · Oct 31, 2006, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by conjurer

I had some some with a friend of mine, here the results:

lol why hide the ele's elite is is pretty clear what it is.

Inner Salbat · Oct 31, 2006, 10:52 AM // 10:52

I absolutely HATE these hero's in HA & GvG they should not be allowed, where is the PvP in this game now? a few isolated games like AB/RA & TA and one other place I forget, this is just wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to know where to start flaming it, and all this just after I started liking and enjoying PvP, gg ANet, but I for one will not be playing your PvE vs PvE battles which is what it's all turned into now.

Heppie · Oct 31, 2006, 10:53 AM // 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by walmart_player

I'm with you Bocjo also.
HAing with heros is not HA was intended to be played. anyone can come in from PvE with there uber pimped out heros and own a good player with no effort at all. Just satnd in the back, call a target, and watch it die.........thats all the hero teams do. Doing HA before was very fun, but now it just seems like a source frustration.........and that is not fun.

Exactly! PvP = PLAYER vs. PLAYER not Player + Heros vs. Player + Heros.
TA and AB you cannot use your heroes, why corrupt the integral parts of the PvP World --- GvG and HA. What's the point in having heroes, with AI so good they CAN interrupt skills with minimal cast time (such as eviscerate and exec. strike) not once, not twice in a match (as a human with a lucky interrupt would), but more times than you can imagine.

What is the point of having AI so good that PvP becomes 'extinct' to only the select few who are able to come from PvE land with their heroes, after spending eternity in there by themselves with their sad little heroes and henchies; MMO actually stands for something people -- there are Hero Battles for a reason!!!

As walmart said, HA used to be fun, now its just frustrating! GG ArenaNet!

NTsan · Oct 31, 2006, 11:11 AM // 11:11

Maybe they should add another big arena where hero are allowed, say AB style arena? (48vs48 fun), and made HA and GvG strictly people only (ie no hench)

Btw I doubt a newbie with basic skillset can own in HA, most likely people who are into GW for quite a while and know what builds are best for their hero

Bloodied Blade · Oct 31, 2006, 11:27 AM // 11:27

I think the hero thing is Anet's way of trying to help with the rank system... They didn't do a very good job if that's what they intended.

The Silver Star · Oct 31, 2006, 11:40 AM // 11:40

Well i forgot about this but a friend brought it up, so.. heres the story "He buys Propecies and likes then finds out about PvP and then stopped PvE to play it and purchased Factions for skills and has recently purchased the PvP only version of Nightfall as you can probably tell he is very dissappointed he bought the PvP only version to play PvP not against NPC's so.. are they labelling the "PvP" edition wrong if infact HA is now not really classified as that? What about people that only purchased PvP Edition and are new to guildwars? is this product "wrongly labbelled?"

So will Anet remove Heros from PvP completely? well we dont know but i think most (yes MOST i didnt say everybody) would agree that they should limit or remove Heroes entirely from Heroes Ascent. There is a SEPERATE place to fight with heroes, they jsut simply dont belong in Heroes Asecnt or GvG. I can understand people being giving a hench etc if somebody rages or an err7 but.. its not the place for NPC's its PvP not PvNPC.

Well i hope eprsonally that Anet do such a thing because its just made HA no fun even if you do get "free" fame from some of them.

luilui · Oct 31, 2006, 12:28 PM // 12:28

if there's a hero arena they should let ppl edit the henchy AI that would actually be awesome, like in pve i gave my heros power drain as nrg management, but they always use it when they 1st encounter the enemy which is wasted, would be cool if i can give them instruction that they only use it when their nrg is under 75%. And like channeling the heroes are not using it correctly too.

this will be good for ai development too (i think). i used to play a game called "colobot" which allow u to do just that. u can program ur bots to anything u want. but like all competitive gameplays, this will be bad for casual players and newbies.

TeeGee · Oct 31, 2006, 12:50 PM // 12:50

/Agreed

It's pure nonsense now. Heroes are nice as superiorhenchies, but PvP should remain PvP. And lika HA hadn't had enough problems with boredom.